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  Why does god allow suffering?

  by GBSJG in

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  i always had trouble with answering that question.

  if there is a god why is there so much suffering?

  so i looked up the offical explanation of the wts in the bible teach book chapter 11 paragraph 12 says: let us consider an illustration.

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  good and evil are arbitrary and the story of Adam and Eve is about this.... many assume the TREE has to do with KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, as if Adam and Eve had no such knowledge prior...but its not about KNOWLEDGE but about the ABILITY to determine the DIVIDING LINE between good and evil and who has the RIGHT to do so.... and as an unbeliever, I see this as a WARNING to anyone outside those claiming to speak for God... those who wrote the story were telling everyone everywhere that THEY had the sole right to draw the line between good and evil, and that democracy was of the serpent... now what draws that line is not as easy to see...but simple to explain--- its whatever you imagine as THE IDEAL WORLD... what ever helps you make your life closer to that ideal is good what ever harms your attempts to get there is evil.

  in the REAL world, suffering need not be seen as good nor evil, but just part of HOW reality actually happens... its only when you compare this to your IDEAL world where suffering NEVER happens that suffering can be labelled as EVIL.
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  Why does the trinity matter... or not?

  by drew sagan in

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  here's what i'm putting out there.

  every jw has a list of teachings that they know 'prove' they are the only true religion.

  while they turn to many things in order to prove their points, i have noticed a special tendancy to turn to just a few things in the end.

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  personally I think both sides make a big deal out of nothing.

  if a believer wishes to go by the bible alone, he should just accept what it says no more no less... the bible never teaches a trinity and never does not exactly teach one either, so it should be left at that... this co-ercions to force people into one camp or the other is just human ignorance at work.

  if Jesus cared about it as much as many seem to think, he should have said something more straight forwards about its importance... that he did not, indicates that he really did not care about it as an issue and neither should those who follow after him.

  when I left JWs, I pondered if not them, then who? I came to see that no one is the best answer... its all ignorant people worrying about stupid things rather than focusing on what even Jesus said was important--- loving God, your neighbor and your enemy and working on removing the beams from your own eyes instead of the splinters in everyone elses....

  if your eye offends you, but you what you just read, you know what to do (^_^)
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  Can You be announced DF w/Out a JC Meeting?

  by mama1119 in

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  my parents just got a phone call from a longtime inactive witness who heard from his very active witness wife that they were announced df'd.

  we don't know if its it true or not becuase none of us go to meetings anymore and have no inside sources at the hall to tell us (as we are apostates, who would tlak to us????

  ) the elders have tried a couple times to talk to them but my dad avoids them.

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  I was told that I needed to announce my dissassociation before two elders in person, which did not ever happen because my father-in-law stepped in, but apparently they reconsidered and counted my phone call to two different elders as enough and announced I had DA'd.. when all I wanted to do was the fade because of my now ex's family who were all JWs in our state.
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  Core Beliefs...

  by mrsjones5 in

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  what exactly are the "core beliefs" of the wtbs?

  i was raised in it and don't even know what "they" are.

  is it me or has these core beliefs been extremely fluid?

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  core beliefs== a being that knew nothing and had no one to learn from spawned another just like him though significantly inferior, then between them figured out how to make others and an entire universe which quickly spun out of control.... who is really surpized?

  and since then he has attempted to bring everything back together again making some very grandious promises and then renigging on all of them and blaming those he promised because of their weakness, which presumably he was smart enough to know in advance...so he tricked them and duped them and still demands blind obediance and trust and cant figure out why so many reject him
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  HELLO THERE!

  by Hamboozled in

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  i've been reading for days and wanted to finally introduce myself.

  i'm swamboozled's husband and i thought it only appropriate to make my name hamboozled.

  i think our names pretty much reflect how we feel in being mislead for so many years.

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  this is not the true religion what is?

  I find honesty is the key== I dont know... and I would not respect ANY god that dis-respects honesty. if I can only be saved by lying to myself, what kind of salvation is that?
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  I corinthians chapter 11 verse 17 onwards???

  by evergreen in

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  ok, i was reading this chapter today in my back garden and was astounded at what i had just read.

  every year as long as i have been a witness vs 28 is mentioned that a man should examine himself under scutiny before eating the bread and drinking the wine.

  obviously implying that only the anointed are to partake of the emblems etc.

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  I believe it was my last memorial that I too, noticed that Judas was still present at the memorial even though the brother on the stage was telling all of us that he was NOT present in absolute terms.... one of the many ways JWs test who is still under hypnosis?
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  Why Do Inactive Ones Sometimes Go Back To The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  the ones I have met that came back while I was still in, never bothered to do any research into any other way.... while out they were still of the opinion that JWs had THE TRUTH and so they only felt inadequate and not up to God's forgiveness, etc.
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  Are they at it again...shockin announcement September

  by aniron in

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  we posted about an announcement it was only local to our cong.

  however we have found out that there is going to be an announcement sometime in september and it is supposed to be shocking.

  elders already know.

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  they will announce that the entire governing body has decided to come clean and admit they dont believe anything that has been printed so far

  and will sell the whole society holdings to a major publishing company and give every JW a rebate from the proceeds
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  the all knowing god?

  by the dreamer dreaming in

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  dont know if this has been discussed or not...but.... it always bothered me when people claimed that god is all knowing... what exactly does that really mean or can mean?.

  after all, according to all, there was some point when only god existed and so its pretty easy to be all knowing when there is nothing to know.. but why should we assume that a being who had no one teach him and nothing to learn from could be anything but insane?.

  we should trust god, some have told me, because he made everything and therefore knows everything about what he made... sorry, but that does not follow at all.. my subconscious, apparently, seems to be able to manifest many dreams of very complex things which leaves me puzzled as to their workings not understanding them at all..... the bible shows god to be less than all knowing on many occasions, especially in genesis 18:20-21 where he is going to investigate a report that has come to him.... from where or who we are not told.... but it makes it clear he is desiring to find out if the report is accurate or not... .

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  Hi River. I have gotten close with many people in my Ward. Certainly, my own views are not the majority, by any means. Yet, I've discovered nine people in my own Ward and several more from other Wards who think as I do. We're members of the LDS Church because it's where we have found the reality of God's love, directly from God and indirectlly through people. Most of these people were born into the Church. That was my criteria for choosing a Church, a religion. My Testimony to the Church is now very strong, very strong. Arguments about history and doctrines go right past me. All I care about is the reality of God's Love that I'm experiencing and living. I suppose I could have chosen to be a Unitarian Universalist, and although most of them are very nice people, and their belief are very logical, I never felt God at all in the Unitarian Universalist church.

  seems like this ties in with my other recent topic aobut LOVE... the love people have for a being they dont even really know to exist...can seem so powerful, so intoxicating, that they forsake everything for it.
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  has humanity the intelligence to transcend love?

  by the dreamer dreaming in

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  i suspect it is fairly rare for two people to fall "in love" with each other at the same time... it seems to me

  that many males will fall in love with just about any female that vaguely says anything approaching yes to their advances

  and that they are not nearly as descriminating as females as to who they will have sex with... i could be wrong of course ...

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  I'd like to understand why you chose the phrase "take advantage of" as opposed to perhaps "respond to" or "take action in response to"?

  of course I could be wrong about humans in general...but it seems to me that a lot of people out there get the hook up because of biological impairment on the part of one of the members while the other, in clear rational mind, is using that impairment to his or her advantage... in prostitution, both parties are clear of mind so to speak, though I guess a case could be made that the john is in need of a fix, he is still using his right mind, so to speak in getting it and getting what he wants rather than someone using his impairment against him, as in the case of a rich guy falling for a young gold digger, for example... though, the difference is escaping me at the moment [hmmmmmmmm]... I guess the difference is when he does not know she is a gold digger, see?

  or when a horny guy has no real caring over the gal who has fallen for him, but wants the sex...and she gives it up because she LOVES him, etc.